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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by hulagu, Feb 13, 2020.

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Is this server balanced?

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  1. hulagu

    hulagu Training Mapler

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    Hi,

    I am interested in this server due to the removal of HP wash but a major turnoff for me from other BBB servers is the sheer dominance of NL over other classes in bossing / party-oriented play. Mapleroyals in particular was horrible for this due to their reluctance to balance classes, bossing parties were basically 6 night lords or 5 night lords + 1 BM. As such I'm not interested in yet another server where NL is overpowered

    What does the meta look like for bossing / raiding / high level party play?

    Thanks
     
  2. guy776

    guy776 Ninja Castle Expert

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    In most raids you will see around half the raiders being non-nls, with warriors and archers often being a necessity for raids, and others like bucc/shad being nice for luxury.
    The raids in saga are really diverse in a way that any class is viable for raids (maybe other than mage) and theres no problems getting into them even as a class thats often considered "underpowered".
    NL is still the strongest single-target attacker and naturally people will be drawn to that, but other classes (namely hero and drk) are definitely no slouches and can even be the #1 dps in some raids.
    I would definitely recommend playing whatever class you find enjoyable, and im sure the raids will follow.
     
  3. Tawn

    Tawn Ninja Castle Expert

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    In saga, certain raids have diversity requirement.

    Eg: czak requires at least 5 different jobs (nl, bm, hero, dk, bs) for example, failing which raiders will encounter double summoning monsters.

    even though some raids do not have specific requirement, host will still take in diversity to prevent failing of runs.

    Eg: warrior/ bucc joining HT for sed mule, warrior in toad/tb for rush, shadower in any raid for smoke screen.

    saga is generally quite balanced speaking from the POV as a paladin.

    ot: please fix my skill animation. :f4:
     
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    J> on mage for Raid Grand Commander
     
  5. Tawn

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  7. Tawn

    Tawn Ninja Castle Expert

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    Anyway logically we should be accepting Bishops for raids as support, just that we are sacrificing it for DPS. With Bishops, we might die less and eventually end up with faster run? =/
     
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    Ted La Vie En Rose

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    Das right shad master race
     
  9. Tawn

    Tawn Ninja Castle Expert

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    For fake smoke. :(
     
  10. HarryPlays

    HarryPlays Running Like The Wind

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    How are Shads in boss runs? Im still trying to get my gear and finish my hp washing. Our dps seems decent but not sure if it's enough.
     
  11. Tawn

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    We have had shad on top 5 dps in czak before. Of course you won't always see this happening.
     
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    just yesterday we saw a shadower outdps NLs in toad. it is possible.
     
  13. Jaslyn

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    WOOOOOW which shad I wonder :f3:

    Anyway to add on, I don't think there really is "is my DPS enough" other than the range requirement for czak because it's not made to be easy anyway.

    Usually with average 6-7wa gears, completed weapon - it'll get you almost everywhere. That being said, of course it all boils down to the point if you are playing your job well too.

    Like mentioned above, NL for sure if all geared up will have an advantage vs other class in terms of DPS output for most raids and thus nobody really "reject" NL in raids.

    But warriors and bowmaster s are needed for every other raids. For rush/for MM, and for SE. And the raid would be tough or impossible without them. So NLs are not everything and while there is balance of diversity, it might still somehow be hard to strike because:

    On a normal run, you can take 7 NLS out of 12 for a raid

    But people don't normally take 7 warriors or 7 shads or 7 buccs or 7 bowmaster.

    So in that sense, the "acceptance" for NLs are generally higher.

    This is as transparent as it can get.

    Give saga a shot!
     
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    just not Marksman amirite? HAHAHA
     
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  15. guy776

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    WTF this is defamation!!
    DELETE THIS
     
  16. Tawn

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    Pally is giving you a thumb down you naughty boy. :angryturtle: :f9::f5:
     
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  17. hulagu

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    Damn, so basically the balance is just as bad as royals. Unfortunately I made a crossbowman after this post pepehands
     
  18. alex

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    It's sad that after all the time other players have put into giving you proper data-backed answers, you made a simple conclusion based on an off-hand statement.

    In your original post, you complained about parties on Royals having only 1 job (all NLs) or 2 jobs (5 NLs + 1 BM). People were clear with you - that is not the case on Saga. Here is data clearly showing that Saga is different - the last 10 Chaos Zakum raids had:

    Yeoreum, Zach299, SippyCup, Grissom, Reducto, Mentaiko, Karth, Akii, Neighbour, Concussion, shal, Rfreila (5 jobs)
    Reducto, SippyCup, Yeoreum, shal, Karth, AhDi, Mentaiko, NotDavid, Oyako, Akii, Concussion, Rfreila (6 jobs)
    Senator, Doenut, Karth, ctnl, Rfreila, PixeIs, skaa, Rivs, Pattern, AhDi, Reducto (5 jobs)
    Karth, Pomme, Jess, Reducto, Rivs, PixeIs, Teachix (6 jobs)
    Lucks, ttoasT, LifeSummer, Pepperspray, iHeartBooty, Smooth, Neighbour, Janney, Rfreila, Concussion, Yeoreum (7 jobs)
    NotDavid, Mumble, Janney, KAPS, Kroni, soot, Lucks, Rfreila, Money, SippyCup (5 jobs)
    Lucks, Grissom, KAPS, Money, Heartache, shal, AhDi, soiree, QiQiSlime, iHeartBooty, Bozy (5 jobs)
    Lucks, Rfreila, soiree, Grissom, KAPS, Mayaa, CrunchyEgg, Yeoreum, Zach299, YerAWizard, AhDi (6 jobs)
    Daniel, PixeIs, Senator, Reducto, ttoasT, Seonn, Karth, Mayaa, Zach299, YerAWizard, XDrknight (7 jobs)
    Yeoreum, Reducto, Senator, PixeIs, Pepperspray, Bozy, YerAWizard, shal, SippyCup, Daniel (5 jobs)

    Here's to hoping I didn't also just waste my time on someone who's unwilling to read.

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    On an unrelated note, there's nothing wrong with Reducto's statement. Unless we made Paladins stronger than Heroes or Marksmen stronger than Bowmasters (which would be ridiculous), Paladins will be outshined in every way compared to Heroes and Marksmen by Bowmasters. Even if Paladins/Marksmen were 99.99% as strong as Heroes/Bowmasters, Reducto's statement would still be true - none of these 4 jobs have support/mobbing roles that differentiate them from each other and so Heroes/Bowmasters will still be outshined by Paladins/Marksmen.
     
    #18 alex, Feb 22, 2020 at 11:21 PM
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  19. Tawn

    Tawn Ninja Castle Expert

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    Honestly as a xbm here you can still do a lot more compared to royal which you are comparing. I don’t get why you are making it a big fuss over. You can just go for the mainstream jobs if you can’t take those job. I don’t have the data, but there are an increase in the number of players choosing paladin lately @alex@alex. If you do what you are interested in, dps doesn’t really matter after all. If you want dps, go for the said NLs. I don’t understand why a job don’t get buff = useless and not balanced.

    Also to encourage player to play these minority classes we have BOF (blessing of fairy) in which every 10 lives after 100 for a sub class of your main (I.e.: shadower for your NL/ xbm for BM) you gain extra boost of stats. Player are actually making these minority classes.

    On a side note, I have topped dps chart and or in the top 5 list in raid over supposingly dps class such as NL as a paladin in certain raid. Nothing is impossible. I’m only using equips with average 5wa, a non perfected weapon borrowed from friends.
     
    #19 Tawn, Feb 23, 2020 at 4:21 AM
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